Actually, it looks like the Mac can't read the Zune after updating to 1.1 from 1.0. Seems like the problem with homebrew a la PSP?

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I am a rather faithful mac user....buuut....the Zune doesn't seem that bad. I bought one because of the Wireless, and in hopes that there will be a ZuneLinux to exploit it. i'm still sure there will be.

XNJB is a well needed, and rather quickly acquired start. I can't wait for a full hack.

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I have an iPod but it is broken. I want a new .mp3 player and was thinking of getting an iPod until I heard that Microsoft is using Microsoft Points as a currency in their Zune Store. I own an XBox 360 and have already made an investment in that currency for micro-transactions in the XBox Live Marketplace, so that mixed with the compatibility the Zune has with the XBox 360 it makes me almost want a Zune over an iPod. But only if I can make it work on my iBook, and if I can buy songs over WiFi from the Zune store directly onto the Zune player itself. If Microsoft pulled that off and Mac OS X is supported that would make me want a Zune.

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anyone find out more about this? I just got a zune today for free, but i am a mac user. I would like to keep it even if it is just to use as a big zip drive. Anyone get the mac zune thing worked out yet?

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Has anyone tried using the zune on their mac using boot camp. I'm getting the new macbook and the mac pro and i want to know if they are zune compatible. I have a 360 also. But i think i'm getting the new 8gb nano because the battery life doesn't suck balls like the zunes.

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With Boot Camp Zune works fine. But with Windows on a virtual machine its not working for now. Check here for more:
http://playlistmag.com/weblogs.../index.php

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Thanks for the vote of confidence Zune-Online, but bootcamp is NOT an option for mac users. you need 10gb of harddrive space to run it. besides, you toss it out like its a simple extention or something. Even if you do have the resources on your computer to run bootcamp, it is a TOTALLY unreasonable solution.

Why is this player programmed in such a proprietary way? its such a joke. This is why i have avoided microsoft programs and hardware in the first place!

all i want to do is give you my money so i can use your product, and you make it impossible with this stupid over-programming. sc@#$ you microsoft! gar!

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Keep in mind the ipod was mac only when it launched. I'm sure a solution will come up soon. I'm a mac user and I just picked p a zune. So far I love it!

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I was just messing around with XNJB, and I tried renaming my Zune, and at first it didn't show up, but after I restarted the Zune, the name changed to what I had typed in on XNJB.

Where exactly does the Zune store it's info for the name?

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Justin: Thats interesting. Expect more compatibility for Macs and Linux in the future:
Richard Low Welcome to the Social!

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I have 5 ipods and just picked up a Zune, Cant seem to fully sync on my mac, but that aside the ZUNE for the money is nice but no where near comparable to the ipod. No syncing with MS office, no Calendars, no drive access, not time, nice Zoom feature with pics, video output to TV is not as clean, no games, radio reception blows, screen shuts off when hooked up to tv, no alarm, outside case is nice (hard to scratch), no podcasts unless you have itunes, then Zune steals its content and puts it on the Zune, and no notes, no syncing with email(using plugins)no real in depth controls for true full custumization (except background) otherwise for 250 I woould just get an ipod again.

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WOW, i honestly didnt think that this would be such a problem, because Apple made the ipod compatible with Windows AND apple. But microsoft is going to be Extremely greedy and not allow Mac users to use the Zune without going through a super big hassle of downloading ,changing and purchasing $300 programs, just to use an MP3 player. To be honest i was looking forward to getting a zune, now that i have one, Extremley Dissappointed. Unless Microsoft Fixes these problems. I expect The Zune to be a thing of the past, QUICKLY!!! If you own a Mac get an IPOD, this crap is just not worth the time and Effort for a portable MP3 player. So, pissed

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hey people prince_alfe is offering a reward and the guy that made xnjb just needs to get a zune to find the solution so please donate to him

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sorry hes offering a reward for the solution

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prince alfes blog is @
http://www.zunescene.com/forum...ic=3519.0
hey this is a race first one to get it to work gets the reward
the site is wentnet.com click help th project to donate devices money or send him your codes

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I have limited technical/programming skills but possess a zune and a linux machine. How do I get involved?

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I got my Zune yesterday and have been trying to get involved. I left some posts on the libmtp forums, but it appears from the dev mailing list that richard is away and busy with limited internet access. Do you have any information Kostas? I'm really excited about getting the Zune fully functional on linux. I was thinking if things develop well enough an application for Windows could be built around libmtp that would allow a direct connection with drag and drop capability without the need for drivers. It would be very handy for me since I would like to be able to update my zune collection at work, but I am not allowed the privileges of installation. I wish I knew where to start for trying to implement the authentication, but it's a little beyond my current knowledge. I've already done a USB capture of the connection sequence, but don't know quite where to press on from here.

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Jeremy: Unfortunately I don't have anything new on this, but Richard now has a Zune to play with.
http://www.zune-online.com/new...ocial.html

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i found some guy whos done it hes waiting to figure out how to release the information he says its so simple

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never mind he finally said it uses sim and works only on powerpc

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find me one mac user who would rather have a zune over an iPod

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*raises hand*. I am a pc AND mac user, and I would rather have a zune than an ipod. Obviously, pure mac users will want an ipod, but only because zune doesn't work with mac.

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I am a Mac user and I like the Zune alot! If it was smaller and mac compatible I would buy one. I think the interface on the Zune is much nicer than the iPod. The Zune's menus look so much more modern and glossy compared to the iPod's which is starting to look out of date. I'm anxiously awaiting however when Apple comes out with something that has a larger screen and other Zune-like features... then the real battle will begin!

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I have a macbook pro and I have a zune. I've always hated the ipod. The biggest reason is the stupid sroll wheel..just can't stand it. I also like the interface and its much better looking then the ipod's. Also scrolling sideways is a feature that i've grown to enjoy.

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I have a macbook pro and I use a zune (never owned an ipod). few reasons why:

- I HATE the ipods scroll wheel. That is one of the stupidest things and its a pain.
- The zune's interface is alot better looking and the whole menu setup and everything i like much better than the ipods
- im starting to really enjoy the scrolling sideways feature
- just the overall look

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I'm sorry to be men but th eonly reasin why people with I-Pods are being so mean to people with Zunes is because they wish they had one... Kommone seriously a ZUNE is much better. My good friend has an I-pod, the quality isn't verry good plus Zunes look way cooler

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alright, so i got a zune. Kinda tired of ipods. But i do have a macbook which i love. Now, i recently bought a zune and i love it! its pretty cool. Uno problemo senor, microsoft just had to be OH SO greedy and not allow mac users to use this device! uhm, exsqueeze me?! We macs let our ipods work on macs AND windows. Ughh. Pleeease let me know when someone discovers how to link a mac and a zune.

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join the cause today we are in pre alpha state and ready to use your help

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i have a mac and an ipod, i've gone through 3 different ipods in about 2 years [mini,photo, and now video] and they all die. of course after the mini crapped out i decided to purchase a warrenty and after the photo was sent back to apple for the 4th time they replaced it with a video since the photo was discontinued. well my video has been sent back once and they replaced it with a refurbished on and for the past 3 days it has been freezing and i have to wait for the battery to run out and wait for it to charge before it works again. i'm fed up. i want a zune but im not gonna waste my time if i cant just use it on my laptop, i mean we have several pc's in my house but the mac is my personal one.

all i need to know is, can i use it on my mac or not? and is it gonna be a big deal cause if it is im not interested.

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@ b: Zune Software is not released for Macs. Currently there is no alternative, so you'll have to run it somehow.
Check this for more:
http://www.zune-online.com/mac-and-linux.html

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I only have a Powerbook for a computer right now but I know my next will be another Mac. I am a graphic artist and the Mac caters to my needs much better than a PC.

I am a huge Xbox 360 fan and would really like to get this new Halo 3 Zune but Microsoft has made it so I can't. I am really hoping this gets full support on OS-X

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man zunes are freggin diffifult!! and since i have a mac, that doesnt help at all.

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i love my zune to death and wouldn't want an ipod, but im a graphic designer so i use a mac book and it totally bites that i cant sync my zune on with my macbook. Doesn't microsoft realize that so many more ppl would buy zune's if they worked on macs too. Not all mac users use ipods. i know plenty of mac users that like zunes and you know what stops them... that zunes aren't compatible. MICROSOFT DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS or you're going to lose all your supporters to the Ipod movement.

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I bought a zune to my daughter in USA. Back home, I tried to use the zune with my PC (Portuguese Windows XP). It's impossible! No one can realy configure this crazy thing. Zune does not work. My windows xp go crazy and my doughter cry every single day. Well, ipod is really more easy to use and install. Zune is beautyfull, but...

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written by miss.lee, November 16, 2007
i love my zune to death and wouldn't want an ipod, but im a graphic designer so i use a mac book and it totally bites that i cant sync my zune on with my macbook. Doesn't microsoft realize that so many more ppl would buy zune's if they worked on macs too. Not all mac users use ipods. i know plenty of mac users that like zunes and you know what stops them... that zunes aren't compatible. MICROSOFT DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS or you're going to lose all your supporters to the Ipod movement.

this is my exact position. i have a zune and love it to death. but i just recently bought a mac for my graphics and it really sucks hard that i can't sync my zune.

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I use Windows and Linux but would prefer Linux wish that Zune was more compatable. I think even the ipod works with Linux.

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I'd say Microsoft has a couple months to fix this issue. Once Apple comes out with a 80gb or higher touch screen ipod the zune won't have a leg to stand on. I have a 80gb zune and love it to death. I also have a macbook pro. You can imagine how happy it makes me to steal my wifes crapy dell just to sync my zune and get my podcasts.

Microsoft wanted a bigger share of the MP3 player market. They developed a peice of hardware that could really do some damage. Then they developled this software and blew their brains out with it.

Will someone please put Microsoft in a nice padded room so they can't hurt themselves anymore.

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I'm a PC and Mac user. I had iPods, and I have a Zune right now. Unfortunately, since Apple are still low on market share (which greedy Microsoft owns), they HAD to port their iPods to Windows. Since Microsoft knows they still own (the market, not the people), they can afford not porting their Zune to Macs. And still laugh at us.

Actually, the Zune was a gift. I had no say in the matter. But, man, oh, man, I do wish I could sync it with my Mac without using Parallels nor Bootcamp (who'd restart their machine just to sync music? T-T). Unfortunately, Microsoft's greedy and evil. The Zune is an excellent piece of hardware, too bad the software leaves me wishing for more.

Apple, on the other hand, likes to limit their things as well. While I can get my Zune fixed or replaced easily, I can't do jack about a broken iPod or an issue with my Mac unless I send it overseas, AT MY EXPENSE even after purchasing a completecare plan, since there is no Apple Store, nor true Apple certified repair center where I live. And any questions regarding this are turned down rather rudely by Apple itself. It was cheaper to buy a bigger and better replacement hard drive and crack open my Macbook Pro than send it to Apple for repairing. And they ain't refunding my money either.

We got two greedy and inconsiderate giants duking it out. Unless you go completely to one side or the other, and be able to afford it, you lose.

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i love my zune sooo much, recently had to get a mac for school, i love mac, i refuse to go back to ipod after having used a zune
i want zuneXmac compatibility !!!

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i can't believe that its been two years and still no word about microsoft making software for macs. shame shame. does anyone know if there is a petition going around about this or not?

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I am appalled. Since day one i haven't liked this thing its bulky feel unglazed, cheap plastic finish make it ascetically unappealing, but the real issue is that its difficult to use. i love ipod its a touch wheel an click on the zune its all separate buttons and extra crap you do yes its small thing to have to do but its irritating during a work out. aside from that it cant connect to a mac so its kinda useless now and even then it doesn't store all kinds of files like an ipod i can do acc mp3 etc this stupid block hasn't allowed anything other then wats its programed for so half my stuff doesn't even transfer. waste of time and money. and for those saying that the ipod was only for mac first this is true but youd think with the ipod already out the programmers would have made note for that before producing this.

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Windows Media Player for Mac can work? Some one said it can transfer videos to zune on mac,

Videos to Zune on Mac

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i haven't tried windows media player. but i don't just want a way to transfer files to my zune. us mac users want and deserve the real zune software. its not like macs are a second rate company that no one uses. macs are just as popular or even more popular as PC and its just outrageous that microsoft is refusing to make software for mac.

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After reading all this back and forth, I have to weigh in my opinion. I am by trade a Sr. Network engineer, and have been in the pc community prior to the 8088 processor (that's before Dos 6 and windows 3.0)! Having said that, I have both pc's and Mac's at home. Truth be told, I prefer the Mac's now, due to the standardized hardware, software and OS. The ONLY reason I still have Microsoft OS's is because I need to support my job, which keeps the lights on, and I do like to eat, on occasion-man cannot live on energy drinks and Mountain Dew alone (so I've heard).

I currently have a Zune original, 30 gig that I listen to every day. It gets me through the day (10-16 hours a day) and I don't have to charge it except every third day. Every second day if I am watching movies on it, but, I have never had an Ipod to last that long!.

My wife and I started with the original ipod, then the minis, then the nanos, now I won't even buy another one from apple again. I am Pis$%#@ off that I have 6 different Ipods, all with warrantees, that had to be sent back for all the issues mentioned above, and battery replacements. I can even understand the concept of non-user replaceable parts, and I am okay with that; but it is quite another issue entirely when the damn things can't even get a year of use out of the battery. And, imagine how upset you would be if your ipods were pristine; not a single scratch ANYWHERE, and you get back a "refurbished" unit that looks like it is a used trade in!

My real gripe here though, is with the people who say they hate the interface of the zune. How much easier can it possibly be?? I mean there is only a back arrow that takes you backwards through the menu options, to the root folder (How logical is this???). In the menu's you push up on the direction pad, and down (a novelty, who would've thought of that) and push right to go right (absolutely confusing, I know). Aside from that, a dedicated play /pause button? Oh, and don't forget the lock switch on the top of the unit. I find this entirely confusing, I can understand why everyone is befuddled!

Really all, I mean sure, there is an interface difference, but is that so hard to reconcile? Personally, If you are working with your hands (riding a bike, carrying a heavy server, etc) I think it is far easier to press the "up" direction to change volume, rather than push, hold, and rotate-hoping you don't hit the track skip or reverse by mistake!

As for sound quality, I find with my music, I prefer the full bodied sound better out of the zune. That was before I upgraded the earbuds too. Radio reception-personally, I find this fantastic! Even when I ride the subway, I get my favorite stations, sure they sometimes drift on the ride, but we don't have cellular signal either! Also, last time I checked, having a radio built in at all was a plus that Apple didn't offer without a plug in module...hmmm.

So to recap, sure my original Zune is larger, but I get over THREE days of listening to my music at work, shutting off the zune when I get home. I have a built in radio, built-in wireless to share music with other Zunes, GREAT sound quality, even when cranked.

Everyone has opinions, this one is mine; if the Zune had native support in Mac OSX, I would never buy another device, but as it stands, I will never buy another Ipod!

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good points david. i couldn't have said it better myself. Apple=great computers, bad music players. Microsoft=great music players, bad computers. i can live with that.

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I'm a Systems Architect, graduated from a Sr. Software Engineer. Sure I use PCs for my day job, paying the bills, etc. etc. One thing that I strive to do is to make things easier for people to use. That includes removing as many technical barriers as possible. The systems have to work whether the user is on a PC, Mac, or Unix box. The site has to respond reasonably well on IE, Firefox, etc.

So when my wife won a Zune and gave it to my son, I was asked to sync it up. The problem? Their computer is a Mac and Zune doesn't work with a Mac (the little XJMB hack to read files is useless if the Zune is empty to start with). The only other solution is to try to use a PC with Windows installed, or a virtual machine with Windows installed. That's a $200 license I'd rather not have to pay and the install disk I have won't work with Parallels.

My PC is dead. The USB ports won't work, the firewire port doesn't work, I can barely bring Windows up to copy files. If the Mac is the only working hardware, how do I make the Zune work? It's already too hard.

Say what you will about the iPod and iTunes software, but it works. It works on Windows and on Mac. I can deal with the fact I have to recharge my iPod daily. When I plug it in to my computer (Mac or PC), any new songs get synced up and the podcasts are updated with where I left off. Honestly, I'd prefer to use the Zune with iTunes because I already have a healthy library of tunes I purchased--most of them are DRM free. It is absolutely feasible on a technical level, but as with 90% of the "hard" problems the issue isn't technical.

It's a strange world where Apple owns the portable music player market and Microsoft owns the desktop market. You'd think Microsoft would learn from the one thing Apple did right: you don't have to use Mac OS to use the iPod. Probably most people aren't going to switch platforms, but the very idea that you could makes people more at ease. Remember it's not the cost of the hunk of plastic, glass, and silicon that is important--it's the investment in the music library that needs to be protected.

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The irony here is spending money on an M$ product, and losing one out of two of the features you bought it for. You'd now have half cocked GUI's (not really a slate at the WPS creators, they do a great job with what resources they have available to them) and who knows really, if/when the various people who code, will get the wi-fi up and running without the crutches.

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i have an ipod nano 1st gen,ipod touch 1st gen,and an iphone 3g and a 30 gigabyte zune.. I HATE the zune and i have a pc and imac.

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where I left off. Honestly, I'd prefer to use the Zune with iTunes because I already have a healthy library of tunes I purchased--most of them are DRM free

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I was just messing around with XNJB, and I tried renaming my Zune, and at first it didn't show up, but after I restarted the Zune, the name changed to what I had typed in on XNJB.

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